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Appleby , 21 September UTC. The rules that were present sounded as if they were ripped straight from the rulebook, and thus were hard to read for the layperson. I tried to make them easier to read and reorganize them.
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It's still a very long section, considering what's in it and that it may be worthy of it's own entry. Appleby , 4 October UTC. It's nothing but self-contradictory nonsense. Taekwondo is not a general term for martial arts there is a term for it as Moosul , but a proper noun for the name of one kind of martial arts. Second, there is absolutely no relation between Taekwondo and Taekyon , except the similarity in the name. The name "Taekwondo" is actually stealing of sound from Taekyon, to create a make-believe of Taekwondo as a traditional martial arts. Choi Hong Hi 's autobiography and testimonies of other surviving founders of Taekwondo verifies this fact.
It was completely Choi's idea of changing name of Karate of their style I'll explain this later. Taekyon was completely forgotton during the end of Japanese occupation, only found as name in the book "Man Mul Bo" and some other materials. Japanese prohibited Taekyon and Ssirum during these times.
Kim Hong Shik died before that It is the only korean martial art which possesses such a classification. Third, every person of the founders of Taekwondo is Karate black belt. I can even tell their style of Karate; they were all black belts in Shotokan Karate. If Taekwondo was not Karate, how could he think about merging two different martial arts?
Have you ever thought about merging Taichi with Kickboxing, or Capoeira with boxing? Also Oyama Matsudasu's Karate books were used for teaching people in early Taekwondo. Can you teach Kendo with Boxing books? If you ever seen Taekyon, You'll never think about it. I've been learning Taekyon, and I can't bear this kind of falsehood running around people's head. So then if anyone is found using a roundhouse kick must be employing taekwondo technique is that what you're saying? It is a fact that Tony Jaa has extensive training in Taekwondo.
To deny the impact of Taekwondo on his fighting style would be naive. TKD kicking techniques are extremely popular in film, "Muay Thai warriors" included. To add yourself, simply copy the following code to the bottom of your own user page:. I'm very concerned by this article.
There is no scholarly history that I can find by searching Google scholar or any journals my school Virginia Tech gives me access to. I would propose that we split this article up into several smaller articles. The current article would become:. Most schools use the names that come from their masters, who may have changed the style to reflect a completely different style. We may want to have the pages revolve around the origin of the name rather than the style, and then we can have a section for each distinct version of each name e.
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The reason, as I skimmed over before, is that Tae Kwon Do is essentially these days just a Korean word for punching-and-kicking martial arts. This is going to take a great deal of original research and a lot of open minds. As I said, there is no consensus on the history of Tae Kwon Do, so it's going to require some original research.
If no one has replied to this by mid-December, I suspect I'll get started on it myself. It would be nice, though, if someone would consider applying for a Fulbright Scholarship to more carefully examine the history of the art. That might be difficult given the current political climate, but it would be a good idea. Appleby , 29 November UTC. Appleby , 30 November UTC. Bigzilla here.
To say that ITF is tradition, is really missing the big picture. First off, the WTF is not a style, like Gen. Choi wanted people to believe. The WTF is nothing more than a full service tournament committee, and it serves a very different function from the Kukkiwon. The Kukkiwon curriculum contains everything that most Karate like organizations contain. Forms, Breaking, Mom ma ki hoshinsul , and many different types of sparring. People wrongly confuse the Kukkiwon with the WTF.
This is partly because of the propaganda of Gen Choi, and partly because the one type of Kukkiwon sparring, called Shihap Kyorugi, or match sparring, was accepted by the WTF nations, and finally by the IOC as an Olympic event. WTF does not set these standards, they just approved of the Kukkiwon standard. Or, brigzilla, perhaps the fact that Schools themselves market themselves as WTF schools might have something to do with it?
Or perhaps it is just the mighty propaganda apparatus of Chong Hi that's so good that he has obviously made them believe it as well? Oh, and if the WTF is just a tournament commitee, then the name is very misleading indeed, since it refers to a federation, and not a committee. Especially when ITF means a federation of schools that teach the same curriculum, and then WTF is something completely different. And since to the average layperson, the Kukkiwon and the WTF are more or less indistinguishable, The Kukkiwon seemingly lays out the curriculum, whereas the WTF makes the tournaments where they compete in the rules and curriculum that the Kukkiwon made.
So General Chong Hi's evil propaganda machines cannot wholly be blames Oh, yes, references to Chong Hi's evil propaganda machine and Chong Hi as evil were sarcastic, and not to be taken seriously. The Singapore club justified its presence by saying links could be found on their site to General Choi's Encyclopedia of Taekwondo; I changed it to the correct link to go directly to the encyclopedia. If someone can tell me why there are 3 "official" ITF sites, and why their international headquarters seems to be in 3 places Canada, Austria, and England , I would appreciate it.
It doesn't matter whether the error is widely committed; an encyclopedia has to use a spelling that can be defended as correct. This rendering is what has been called the American-enlisted-man's-back-of-the-envelope Romanization as a slap against the ignorance of international spelling conventions that is reflected. Eventually all the spellings on Wikipedia will have to be corrected, even if they don't agree with the the way some martial arts instructor from Korean first jotted it down on the corner of schedule.
Want to know the history of TKD. It's Shotokan Karate. Do you want more than google research? Go get any early TKD book and compare that with Shotokan book. It's identical. I want to see how long before someone own up and write history of TKD as a part of Karate lineage. Everybody liked the name, but they felt it might have been disrespectful of Taekyon.
So they asked the president of South Korea, who gave his OK. Oh, and Hwarang-Tul is not from Shotokan, although the other Tuls were. I do not know how this has changed though. Also, the flashy kicks that were not good for actual fighting were discussed, and was pointed to older Korean history, where people competing in Taekyon would try not to hurt eachother so that they wouldn't end up facing the harsh rerisals of the day.
To overcome this problem, they created contests that would exersize skill, as well as not being dangerous. Thus they made patterns, and did kicks that were difficult to do.
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This was also one of the reasons of including patterns in TKD, and also a reason to train in difficult kicks, like the now infamous kick. It is more an exersize in skill then a real combat kick. To be able to pull it off, you need a lot of speed, agility and skill. Excuse me, but is it just me, or are all the images on this page from WTF? ITF have two patches on our doboks I think thats how you spell it and none of the people have that. I rewrote the belt section entirely though keeping most of the previous data points , and removed the cleanup tag. I think a primary question of interest to people that don't do TKD is, "What is the order of colors in belts?
I tried to emphasize this in the article, while still answering the question using the "traditional" color system, common to both the ITF and WTF. Although individual schools may vary, it will at least provide a baseline of commonality between schools. I also added in information about the time it takes to progress between Dan grades which is normally one year per current Dan level. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me.
Also, I was considering adding a note that the actual Dan level to be considered a "Master" seems to vary between schools as well. But I thought that would be a relatively unimportant aside, so I left it out. I think purple belt should be changed to correspond to 3rd gup in the example, since it is more common to be one of the higher gup grades rather than any of the lower.
But when I changed it someone change back to 7th so maybe I have got it wrong in some way? Bigzilla, the Kukkiwon and WTF are inextricably linked. The Kukkiwon only tests on WTF-official forms. One can be mindful of their different roles while still acknowledging their symbiotic relationship. Posting a line disagreeing with this by mentioning the different physical locations in the belt section of all places seems odd to me. And the Kukkiwon is called the WTF headquarters, even if it is more symbolically now. See the wiki page on the Kukkiwon. The WTF poomsae curriculum is here: [  ], which is what you must test on to become Kukki-certified, and are the official forms for WTF tournaments.
Also, I'm curious if you have a reference to the number of 10th Dans issued by the Kukkiwon. Doing some research on the internet, I've not been able to find a specific number for it. Wkerney , 21 April UTC. First off the Kukkiwon and the WTF disagees with your statements. The WTF is simply concerned with the organization of competition events in nations around the world, where, only Kukkiwon Taekwondo is recognized.
The different addresses of the two different organization are VERY important to note, considering some folks mistakenly state that the Kukkiwon is the headquarters of the WTF. For someone to state this is odd to me. So for many years, the WTF office headquarters was located inside the Kukkiwon. These two different organizations even have different web sites! Also, it is incorrect for folks to state they have WTF Dan. Also, there is no such thing as Kukki-certified. It is correctly "Kukkiwon Certified".
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Kukki-Taekwondo would be more correctly the style, not the organization. The Kukkiwon would never state such a thing. Feel free to contact them yourself, directly like I did. I have the e-mail and board post, again, if you like, I could e-mail them to you. I suggest you write the Kukkiwon. As far as the names I listed, anyone who has been involved in Taekwondo on an international level knows who these important men are. When you write the Kukkiwon to ask about 10th Dans, be sure and ask about these men. Do you need the address? Here is a reference.
Letters to and from the Kukkiwon in regard to this subject. Also, note that the Kukkiwon web site shows only 5 10th Dan, not 30 like your friend claimed. Thanks MasterCole aol. Cole, Jr. Kukkiwon Taekwondo Textbook 4th resource. Kukkiwon People. Official Publication of the Kukkiwon Of course, if you stil have doubts, I suggest you contact the Kukkiwon directly instead of depending on others to do it for you.
Lordraydens, you are correct. Americans tend to say "TIE". Tay is closer to the Korean. Any info on him who pioneered Taekwondo in the Philippines would be highly appreciated. Very little to no info on the net. I've attempted to clean up some sloppy grammar and spelling in the belt section.
I have no particular knowledge about the belt system beyond the most basic understanding, so I have tried not to change the meaning of any of the statements. A few sentences in here were garbled run-ons with no clear and decipherable meaning, and I omitted them. Somebody wiser can hopefully fill in the blanks, especially in the 4th Dan testing paragraph.
I intend to do some more work on this section to clean up typos and poor grammar. This section is very large, I'm considering ways to break it down. I already organized it by Gup vs Dan belt, but a lot of the information in here has less to do with "belts" than the rules for testing and advancement. I may re-org along those lines. Feedback welcome. Bjsiders , 20 June UTC. Some of it is my bad spelling and grammar, but thanks for helping!
I read it over and it looks much better. The 4th Dan area reads fine. Would it be a silly idea to seperate the belt sections, protocol, naming history etc into WTF and ITF specific sections? It seems the styles are fairly different, despite being grouped under the umbrella of Taekwon-Do.
This may also clear up some of the inconsistency that seems to plague this article with respect to naming conventions people, places and similar. After looking over the material, there's not enough information on ITF to really separate it and do a good job of it. The article needs a lot more work and clarity, it's written like a UNIX manual page - the information is only useful if you already understand it.
I'm going to make some updates where I can and ask questions here, hopefully we can improve it. Bjsiders , 29 June UTC. That will not work. You are blending the WTF with the Kukkiwon, when in fact, they are very different organizations with very different functions. ITF is a very small, and very private organization, and it has no such counterpart as the Kukkiwon.
I have explained in great and accurate detail the differences between the Kukkiwon and the WTF and people who have no idea about this subject keep removing it. WTF is the only public one. Would anyone like to sift through this page and archive anything that has already been attened to? Much of what I am readiing has already been edited o adjusted in the article, so for ease of use I believe that it would be a lot easier if this page was cut down to the bare essentials.
I'm still going through, section by section, and cleaning up the article. This article is liberally polluted with good but disorganized and sometimes inappropriate information. There is a great deal of unnecessary detail, confused statements that contradict each other, and much cheerleading on behalf of WTF vs IFT taekwondo practitioners. I've removed large swaths of excrutiating details that are unlikely to be interesting or relevent to a typical reader, these details more appropriate belong in more specific articles, such as articles specific to the WTF, ITF, or even the kwan.
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Please discuss here if anybody feels I've taken too much liberty in what I've elected to remove, I'd be glad to talk about it. I'm trying to get this article to the point where somebody who knows little to nothing about taekwondo can quickly read through the article and understand it, as well as dispel some myths like what exactly it means to have a black belt vs a blue belt vs a yellow belt, etc. Right now a casual reader who didn't already know most of what's in here would become hopelessly lost just trying to understand taekwondo's origins.
My next task will be to separate the "history of Korean striking arts" into two sections - one on the history of the development of taekwondo as a martial art, and another on the history of the administrative bodies of taekwondo. I plan to remove a lot of name-dropping and cheerleading. Bjsiders , 13 July UTC. You want to add Gen. Choi's name, but remove others? That does not make sense. The few other names that appear in the article are folks that made great contributions, far beyong Choi, and far senior to him as well.
Keep up the good work. I'll be sure to check it over. I read through the article and its well informed. I suggest writing a more informative section on how it developed and formed. I also suggest applying this article as a featured article candidate. Showing taekwondo on the main page will help make it more known. Good friend , 24 July UTC. It said stretching is "one way" to gain flexibility.
It's the ONLY way. I changed it to "It is important for students to stretch to become for flexible. We had gup used universally in the page for a long time, and somebody went in and changed about half of the gup s to kup s and now the article is inconsistant. Let's pick one and stick with it. I vote gup simply because that's what we've always used, but I don't really care which one we use as long as we don't alternate. Bjsiders , 6 August UTC. I've recently came across this website; I'm not sure if it's been brought up. It has a nice bibliography at the end, so maybe it's factual? The case is: 'A renowned martial art book of the days, called "muyedobo-tongji" said; "Taekwondo the art of hand-to-hand fight is the basis of martial art, enabling one to build strength by means of using the hand and foot freely and training arms and legs as well as the body to be adaptable to any critical situations, which means Taekwondo was already prevalent in that age.
This contridicts the fact in the wikipedia article: Taekwondo that says taekwondo was coined in the 's. So who's right??? I have failed this article primarily because the references were too thin, improperly formatted and not consistent with each other to boot we should not mix plain old footnotes and inline external links in an article. Otherwise it's fairly good.
I would also consider taking a long hard look at the External Links section, which seems to be getting near the spam event horizon. I'm not suggesting we remove the old naming, but simply add ITF naming as well. Any thoughts? EDIT: whoops! Wikipedia is not a collection of links - the links of this article are far too many - this is unacceptable. I may start doing this stubbing out myself. Lordkazan , 3 October UTC.
Too many people have been editing the article changing things to reflect how their school does it in the belt section. Please don't do that. The section is correct when it says that the odd numbered belts "vary" from school to school.
Putting a random belt that your school uses into those slots is wrong, as there really is no consensus between schools on how to set ranks to colors, especially on the odd gups. You're doing no one a favor. I invoke verification criteria, especially on history section. Some complain that there are not much third party source of information. In that case, correct wikipedia procedure is not to add information. We all know that different people have different take on TKD's historical origin. Failiure to find citation from third party source would result in deletion. Of course, Korean source may say something and Japanese source say the exact opposite.
Either way, all sources have to be verifiable source as defined by this site. Rv if I made a mistake. The article mentions Kup is also allowed. It is not necessary for whoever it is messing up the page to change half the Gups to Kups. It doesn't help, and just makes the page look confused. For your average English speaker, it just makes the article harder to understand. Additionally, each selection or collection includes a brief introduction about the author and text s , and each includes 3 — 5 discussion questions. Texts in the public domain--those published or translated before are replicated here.
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